February 28, 2020 0

RIP HQ Trivia – This is Only a Test 539 – 2/20/20


for Thursday February 20th 2020 it’s
this is only a test the official podcast of tested doc oh don’t hate me
don’t hate me will there it is so I just turned I just
called my agent unfortunately I didn’t have your intro queued up there was a
lot of prep work and I didn’t have that one done what uh what a kick in the kick
in the groin I will play her we’ll go out with it’s too late for this you
can’t recover from this right thanks for joining us everybody I’m Jeremy and this
is my cohort Will Smith you know you see them every week on the podcast it’s just
the two of us every week it’s perfectly normal pod Mian will hello Jeremy how
are you doing I tested founder Will Smith how oh thanks for having me uh
absolutely I am so glad that you answered the call Norman Chan is on
assignment yeah I’m the Wellington New Zealand is that a secret no because
they’ve been tweeting they tweeted yeah Joey has tweeted that he’s there mmm
what they’re doing is a secret yeah and so I I don’t even I think they’re
building death robots so that’s my theory
that’s a perfectly legitimate theory i adam has the friendly robot over there
now it’s the murder robot in new zealand defend the borders and our good friend
cuz sure hari was to be here and then less than 24 hours ago said he has a
sick child he can’t come in you know often when i say i have a sick child it
means I have really bad diarrhea so that’s my theory it sounds like you
weren’t doing too well on Saturday we’ve had a bad like this has been a night my
parents have been in town which has been great it’s lovely to see them to spend
some time with him got to bring him by the shop that’s great yeah Ryan met him
and they said they were delightful it’s the first time I’ve ever heard that
literally they he loved him yeah well Ryan’s very personable so but then the
kid Oh busted a hundred and four degree fever on Saturday morning whoa yeah and
then I got food poisoning on Saturday night and and then Netflix keeps
canceling my service so like it’s been a real bad week Jeremy real bad wait no it
would is Netflix at the top of that list or is that somewhere into the bottom
look I just wanted Netflix and chill how do you have a service that cancels on
you are you not paying your bill this is a question I had as well when I called
them last night at night at eight o’clock it was like hi my service keeps
getting canceled and when I looked at my credit card statements every time this
happens I get charged another $15 I mean keeps getting canceled well this is the
third or fourth and this has happened in the last let’s
say six months and I get an email from Netflix that says hey we’re sorry to see
you go and I’m like I don’t want to go I’m still here
I like Netflix I’ve been paying you guys for like a decade
I used to have disks you send me discs for that long yeah and so I got on the
customer support I hit the the talk to a person on the internet button which said
it’ll take eight minutes everything that you mean chat chat IRC yeah chat and I
was like it’s gonna take eight minutes I was like that seems a bit long but okay
and I started talking to them I was like hey here’s what’s happening it’s really
weird I keep getting these emails to say we’re sorry to see you go if you’d like
to reactivate your account press this button so then I don’t press the button
because you never click links in email smart yeah I typed netflix.com into a
browser I go there I type in my username and password and it says hey you’re not
subscribed to our service anymore like that’s really fucking weird because I
didn’t unsubscribe from the service so you had an account it just said you were
deactivated well when you it turns out when you when you when you cancel your
net spray but netflix subscription and keeps your stuff for 10 months okay so I
turn it back on no and I’m a large fifteen bucks and I
get charged fifteen bucks sixteen bucks $15.99 geez so I got on
the live chat I was like hey here’s what’s happening I don’t know what’s
going on and also by the way you’ve charged me four times in the last month
and a half four times yeah I paid $60 for Netflix this month Jeremy it’s not
great wait a minute why didn’t you solve this after the first cancel I didn’t
realize that they were tried didn’t look at the credit card statement to see if
they were actually charging me I thought it was just like Mike I thought what was
happening was I was have a payment processing because my Bank of America
card had to be replaced twice in the last month for reasons we don’t need to
get into okay all right and so every time they would try to charge it with
Kenneth and I assumed they just were sending the wrong message which was a
bad assumption on my apartment okay so anyway the TLDR is I called them at no
point does the customer service person apologize there’s no point do they say
you know I’m sorry you’re having this problem look we do to help you
longtime customer person who’s been paying us money for the last 10 years
right I mean I realize it’s like $15 who cares cuz they just use a bunch of
script pre-scripted phrases that the computer tells them to say I I did tech
support I know how that works I mean and so you’d think that an apology would be
one the pre-scripted phrase so somebody told
me that they trained CS people never to apologize now
express empathy but don’t apologize for a fault in the service oh that’s like
being a parent well Comcast used to apply when Comcast
would break I’d call the rig we’re so sorry you’re having this problem what
can we do to make it better yeah I so all along the way I was like look here’s
the here’s the situation single-use password it’s only used on Netflix it is
24 or 36 characters long symbols letters numbers generated automatically saved in
an encrypted vault Wow no shared account you are that you are the perfect case
study how do you view a password if they offered to factor I would use two-factor
yeah there’s no no shared account the only people that have access are my
seven-year-old daughter who definitely cannot use the online web tab because
she doesn’t have access to a web browser anywhere web chat wait they canceled by
web they canceled via web chat so he sent me he sent me a transcript no you
own a chat log of this of the canceled oh my god yeah
so someone actually has infiltrated your account then this is like unquestionably
so this is what they say that they were logged in I think that the person who
canceled just hit the support link because you don’t have to log in to use
the support link it said hi I’m email address first name last name I’d want to
cancel my account and end like just to be clear they were dicks about it they
weren’t like oh hey thanks for your help they were like my name is Will Smith my
email guess is blank so I came here today so you can please close my account
because I’m no longer to use this website anymore
direct quote well why would they have to tell them the email address if they were
logged in as you it’s the first thing they ask when you call customer service
elementary my dear Watson yeah so it shows you already requested to cancel
your account online the cancellation would take effect on March 5th you can
use the service until that day and the cancellation will be automatic ok but
can you just deleted my account would you like to cancel your account
effective today and said deleted my account to blank and then they blanked
that part out I don’t know what it said deleted my account to blank I think it’s
like 20 characters to it sorry yes your account is cancelled effective Dan
you’ll receive an email confirmation within 24 hours which is the email
confirmation I got that said we’re sorry to see you go yes
all right so you think this has happened four times in the past month it’s
happened four times since December so a month in I have two months this is gross
yeah so we and and just to be clear when it happened to December changed the
passwords yeah I didn’t log out of all the existing accounts cuz changing your
password on Netflix doesn’t revoke the OAuth tokens or whatever right internal
authorization so I did that this time changed the password maybe change
changed the email address you did that I did that today yesterday okay so we’ll
see what happens okay I think you’re good now cuz they don’t know that we
email it I want my 60 dollars back well that’s true but you won’t be canceled
again well look if I don’t get my 60 dollars back I will be cancelled again
it has to be clear I believe it because of it
okay yeah anyway that’s this is I feel like I’ve not gotten 60 dollars worth of
value out of Netflix in like two years so really no I mean my daughter does
that’s the thing but she has infinite other places like she has Disney Plus
she’s good it’s only five dollars a month it’s funny how much less I do
watch Netflix now we have Disney Plus I mean as a family I watched The Witcher
mmm that was pretty good I guess I didn’t know what was going on it was all
jumping around all over the place who knew what happened there that’s
extraordinary yeah why would this just mean that’s what
mean-spirited so there were two things that arced me about this oh one the no
apology ah I think that’s reasonable I think you
should say I’m sorry you’re having this problem even if it’s not even I’m sorry
we made a mistake I’m sorry you’re having this problem like we do to help
you know you know one of those dissing genius
oh the non-apology the I’m sorry if I made you feel I’m sorry I offended you
Jeremy yeah exactly yeah they could give you one of those that would have been an
improvement over the currents the status quo yeah exactly
the other thing I mean knowing about is I gave the signals I am a competent user
with good security practices and I’m not something like I’m not some dirtbag
trying to cheese a free month of Netflix on a free trial or something right
clearly I’ve been paying them for a long time I’m interested in retaining the
service yeah I’m not trying to get something for nothing what I realized
that’s what they could deal with most of the time probably is like hey my
boyfriend canceled my Netflix account when I was two episodes from the end of
whatever you know the West Wing are you are actually worried about them
mischaracterizing you and thinking that you’re just a swindler
I’m worried that when I was like hey I have a problem I’m worried that I have a
legitimate security problem on my hands and they’re not giving me any of the
information needed to solve that problem it’s like I love Google’s thing where
they show you the last ten logins to any of you so you can do that with Netflix
ah but it only shows you streams it doesn’t show you logins to their sites
so I went through all of the IP addresses including the ipv6 ones not
good enough looked up for geolocation and they’re all my IPs
no nice work yeah so nobody streamed anything on my Netflix account for more
than a year except for me my daughter my wife okay so they don’t have access to
your account or they would have tested that I would imagine or they’re just
logging in to the web interface and canceling my fucking seems it seems like
a lot of work does yeah okay so what else is bothering you you said there’s
like three things those are the two things the lack of an apology and the
fact that they treated me here Judd okay okay I almost said Do You Know Who I am
but I didn’t because I knew the customer service guy wouldn’t know who I was it’s
not a reasonable expectation he might assume you’re someone else
I mean look that’s his problem not mine okay I have a story about a company that
did me wrong and it’s in a very very different way okay I mean I ordered we
just doing what’s grinds our gears upfront I have it I have a thing for
that yeah play the music what a noisy Jeremy now I have now I have the ability
to play the good music oh you play the music for you but not for me either me so there’s a scooter company called
called unagi right ah like Ross’s fighting style from friends they were a
they were kick-started about about 18 months ago it’s like an electric scooter
yeah okay and and I’m my family we had an electric scooter scooter got stolen
when we brought it to the grocery store and it vanished and and I was are my
family’s using the scooter in order to get to the park which is a whole half
mile away and the case of roughly a seven-minute walk this is my math the
children have no excuse if they have an electric scooter to go to the park to
throw frisbee but if they don’t have an electric scooter then they’re like ah
dad’s I have to walk and then I have to deal with that are you writing your
boosted board to the park I ride the booster board child rides the electric
scooter so I wanted to replace stolen electric scooter and and this one seemed
like a good choice because it is dual motors like the boots like running back
or two on the back yeah yeah no both front and back you get a lot of traction
with that which in San Francisco means something but yeah I mean you can get up
the hills yeah so um so do you make both kid right kids ride the same scooter
down one at a time no dude I got to what because black brilliant Black Friday
yeah you had to get to to get the deal Oh perfect so I go all in I get 25% off
I get two of these scooters Black Friday it’ll be there in 30 days right I’m hope
you got it just after Christmas time for New Year’s hoping to get about Christmas
yeah didn’t get it by Chris Hall January comes around
no scooters I call him up I say where’s the scooters they say there’s a problem
with the red ones we can’t get the paint working we’re going to send you but we
can send you the blue one I said all right send the blue one
send me and we’ll deal with it one blue one blue yeah yeah blues in fact I think
at that point I said just change the red to black if you can do that that’s great
okay we’ll get to the blue one right out right away three days later two blue
scooters arrived okay perfectly all right well maybe these are
my scooters and I have two blue scooters I call them ups they got two blue
scooters they say it perhaps too weird we only thought you got one I said no I
got two blue scooters they said well send back a blue one and we’ll send it
will send to the black one I surrender back so I I it’s like a 40
box and it’s sizeable I put it on my car I Drive it to FedEx I put their liver
turn label on it I would throw up my back put it on the conveyor belt Wow and
off it goes I’m a good customer yeah the day I receive the scooter I returned
it to him right yes then Hiro three days later two black
scooters arrived right the guy a FedEx guy comes he gives me a black scooter I
said thank you and he says hold on I’ll be right back I’ll get the other one he
goes back like what other one he brings me I got two black scooters now this
sounds like a real win on your part so now I’m think maybe I got a free scooter
right now so then I put them both in the closet everything’s in the closet
because now they’re gonna be birthday presents by the way yeah so don’t listen
to the podcasts hear me no it’s no birthdays I’ve come and go that’s why I
can talk about you already missed the window so then I I start telling people
this we’re still weird a scooter company I they sent me two extra scooters and I
had to send one back and I got another one in the closet and then the day I
tell to shore norm about that I go back home waiting for me at home two more
scooters have you notified the company of this problem this is like bakery in
your favor I don’t have a closet full of whoo now you see 50 bucks for a scooter
right now exactly it’s like they’re not terribly cheap even at 25% off they like
they weren’t terribly to like the cheapest scooter ever they were a few
hundred dollars more than the cheapest yeah
so I – motors so I finally like I call him up and no actually I don’t cuz it
cuz the birthdays do tonight I just want them out of sight out of mind yeah they
email me to say hey Jeremy we see you received your scooters we’re really
happy to see that but we also see this you received two additional scooters
which is not the correct number I’ll bring to your attention yeah we see two
more scooters would you mind sending those back I said well sure I’d be happy
to send those back why don’t you give me a call on Monday and we’ll talk about it
because I don’t want to bring them the FedEx you guys can send a carrier yeah
so they they call me up on Monday and and I tell them that I’d be happy to
send them back how did this happen we don’t know it’s so strange the only
thing we can come up with is you have the same first name as our CEO that’s
like their that’s their number one theory a CEO is just getting dozens of
scooters delivered to his house or in one with his name Merson li tests every
scooter they get shipped out so um I said by the way you actually sent me
three scooters and they’re like what we had no idea I said yeah you sent him
three so they sent me three labels and and they said they set up the FedEx
arrival time so that he would come and pick him up I said great I said you know
what if there’s anything you could do about you know getting me a deal after
all of this hassle I would actually buy a third scooter because my wife now
wants a scooter like my whole my whole family would want have like an Eevee we
could go in Golden Gate Park and like on a Sunday or like a gang exactly get
leather Jack we would have to get special jackets yeah and she said she’ll
look into it and so a FedEx guy comes the outside story FedEx guy comes they
then keeps driving because he took one look at my house and assumed I wasn’t
home and when I hop on said your nagi scooter
the one that arrived yeah and I go get him and he says oh okay I’ll be right
there to pick him up so he comes back he gets the three scooters off they go and
then that thankfully I have not received another scooter but I I’m just waiting
every time I see that FedEx truck go by like you you could just open the door
and it’s like one day it’s one scooter the next day it’s two skirts the next
day it’s four scooters after that it’s a thousand scooters I couldn’t like
honestly I’m just waiting for more scooters to arrive and it they they
wrote me they said oh we can give you a 25% off in the same deal I had to begin
with not not gonna get a third scooters but it was a man that was a weird weird
hassle and it turns out you know what legally you don’t have to send anything
back you know this yeah ftc.gov ya old friend if a company sends you
merchandise that you did not request you can keep it as a gift it’s yours yeah
yeah I mean they they could they can complain they can yell at you they can
try to take you to small claims court nothing’s gonna happen
no and I bet they would have they probably would have fought this one but
you know what I’m a good guy yeah I’m a good guy and I thought may I already
give me 50 60 bucks for that scoobert has more than I got yeah man that’s just
I felt like me people were telling me you know you got to think about the
Karma here yeah because you don’t want to keep these scooters
yeah these are these scooters are drenched in blood
battle that just ruin you for life well karmically I feel like I feel like
consumerism in karma maybe don’t overlap as much as people might think and then I
say to myself and to them maybe this is karma yeah hey these people are evil no
maybe maybe I’ve been good and this is karma paying me back and I’m spending
this threw it away I spat in grandma’s face off they go what if let’s go
another step what if this company’s evil and you taking extra scooters to help
put them out of business would have you know nobody wants and we got to stand up
to big scooter man scooter yeah I don’t I don’t need their evil I got hoes my
scooter company once hosed posed that’s a Canadian erm hosed what how did you
get hosed well the a developer at their company
used my email address which is a fairly common mashup of my first name and last
name you need a new email it is I look I what seemed like a great idea in 2003 is
not a good idea in the future they used my email address as the test for the
notification system that tells them where every scooter that is dying as bad
dying battery is so for a four-day period every single scooter from this
giant company that had a dying battery sent me an email about every five
minutes and I got all I can we have the same first name as the CEO but anything
that would that would have been that would have made more sense
I might have deleted them all but it was something like twenty-two thousand
emails holy cannoli for days and I complained about on Twitter and they
fixed it within like 20 minutes of arriving on Monday morning but yeah
that’s a lot and I got a lot of free scooter credit because I was like I’m
just gonna go pick up all these scooters that are within 10 miles of me and throw
them in the fucking ocean if you don’t stop this yeah
and then the CTO sent me a note and apologized him saying I’m so sorry did
they explain why they used your email because they’re idiots but why did they
use your email because we’re you a customer look man no they use the if
you’re when you’re like hey I want to sign up for car insurance but I don’t
want to be bothered by the follow up emails you put I’m I’m Jack at Jack
Black calm into your into yeah yeah and that’s what had happened
yeah so you just gave yeah man I just gave Jack black some spam I’m sorry
horrible it was bad it was bad you know yours is worse usually kept those
scooters man and you could have had one scooter for each foot for each kid
double double tag the scooter I am so glad to be done with those scooters it’s
wait there’s gonna be more when you get home today doubt it top story this week right norm it seems
like he’s here with us I could hear his voice we may actually we may FaceTime
him what I’m not guaranteeing anything you can FaceTime that’s hooked up no no
no no we’ve done it on locations we have chatted with with with Norma at
Disneyworld what time is it in New Zealand right now I think it’s three
hours earlier or tomorrow 6:22 a.m. yeah but tomorrow tomorrow he’s in the future
yeah I’ll get the lottery numbers so we may we may try that see if we can get a
video call to New Zealand men working via satellite will see now that wouldn’t
it be like fiber optic cable under the internet now under the water it’s that
sounds much lower tech to me if it goes to outer space you know how hard it is
to run fibers under the ocean yeah we are not to mention like fix them yeah
what happens if a shark eats it yeah they have to fix them yeah there’s so
Cisco Sela wants what God now now is your moment if something got with my
FaceTime norm all right we’ll see if that how many texts normal I know right
FaceTime so so Will Smith and I hello both enjoy the virtual reality and so
I’m sure I’m in fact you’re one of the few people on the planet who has played
this game I’ve already enjoyed this virtual reality we were thrilled to find
that half-life alex has a release date now this is gonna be available to you
the buying public in a mere thirty three days march 23rd 2020 is the date that
half-life Alex will release god I gotta wait that long on Steam it looks like a
month in four days it’s gonna fly by it’s gonna be a blip in time every day
is like an eternity in 2020 I mean the thing is like this is I there’s like six
debates between now and then yeah but we have our primary long before this comes
out I know this I don’t think there’s a game I’m looking forward to you more
virtually I don’t think that that’s a you know an uncommon thing to today
that’s a stretch yeah but this is I don’t know if there’s a game I have
looked forward to more than this either and I’ve looked forward to a lot of
virtual reality games this is this is an exciting thing and I’m glad that it’s
coming on the 23rd I know you can’t say much
about your experience playing it now we can talk about it with weird because
that is not norms oh really blind no he’s very specific about like you could
tell do story beats and stuff like yeah yeah so having played it do you think
you are more excited for this game to see what else there is to it that you
haven’t seen yet or do you feel like you have experienced that initial shock and
an on joy of playing it and so you’re a little less excited than the regular
public no I’ve been excited to come back and play more since we left yeah I mean
look this oh they didn’t do and I think normal I talked about this after after
we went but like it’s not it is not a mechanical revolution right they didn’t
figure out some magical new things in VR that we’ve never seen before
yeah but it’s really well done the art is incredible like there’s the volume of
art is right up there with like the best looking of the insomniac games that
we’ve that we’ve seen so far right yes art storm winds you mean set like design
textures geometry the whole bit and also the like the number of objects you can
interact with mmm so if you like you think about if you think about like I
don’t know think about like that secret that secret shop that valve released
with the lab right where you can go into the secret shop from dota and like it
feels like you should be able to touch everything there and you can only touch
like ten things mm-hm there are literally thousands of things
on each level that you can that you can interact with and grab and and use your
hands on and and like and that that alone is such a big change versus even
something like Stormwind or like when one of the one of the asuras wrestlers
as guards wrath right they came out last year like like those games look great
but a lot of the stuff is an interactive and you’re kind of like you can’t open
all you can’t go in and start opening drawers willy-nilly and you can only
open the ones that highlight and stuff like that and and and that is a it seems
like a small thing but it’s a big change I think first it’s like I’m Duke Nukem
for the modern age Duke Nukem when it came out it was hailed for many things
it would be yeah you could do many things and but interactivity seemed to
be at the front like they wanted everything to be usable
and it’s sounds like that that this is the VR version of that very much so and
like there’s a lot of places it rewards a rewards exploration it’s still it’s
you know pretty much through line straight path kind of game at least what
we saw yeah you had headcrabs jump out at you yeah I can’t wait man I really
didn’t I didn’t think half-life was scary before oh you mean the but what
about that the one level with the the zombie level I didn’t I I thought rave
at home was fun because I enjoyed like playing physics I like I like setting up
physics nightmares for the zombies to get slaughtered in yeah the black
headcrabs the venom one is terrifying right in VR okay it’s a much scarier
game in VR not liking it you know it’s not unsettling not creepy not like yeah
your body horror saw stuff but it’s it’s a it’s a lot it’s fun I’m can’t wait to
play more cannot wait I am so glad that they have locked down this date and that
valve has learned how to compensate for valve time which means not even
announcing a game until it’s pretty much done well yeah I mean I was like what
wouldn’t norm and I played in December at least the parts that we’ve played
like looked art complete there were definitely places where they had
performance optimization to do that they were like look you’re coming into a
place where the frames are gonna be bad because we haven’t done the performance
optimization yet but it’s it’s I’m excited to play more and we I think we
played mostly on like 10 80s so it’s not I mean really good cards but not the top
of the line by any r-tx was not on there’s I don’t think Jackson there’s
not that’s why it wasn’t on yeah I don’t think I don’t think I would think that
the performance art at least my experience with control and some of the
other games that support r-tx makes me think that maybe RTX is not compatible
with locked 90 Hertz but I do are you playing on index I know I don’t have an
index I have a vibe bro well you’re not gonna get an index any time soon I have
been Dex controller so I’m good that’s good
I mean that’s halfway there yeah that’s that’s good the index has you know
excellent sound yeah I got and that’s somebody yeah I like that a lot people
who take for granted it’s got a slightly wider field of view or at least the
sensation of that but they are they are out of stock everywhere everywhere
except there’s like every country has a metal dock the full kits that just ahead
that just the controllers you can’t buy anything except just the headset or
itself I believe in Japan huh it’s the only place that had the Moustakas I was
like earlier this week when we go to Japan I I don’t I don’t like you’re
gonna do that I think you’re probably playing you’re five pro right it’s so I
have the vibe Pro with the wireless kit and it’s really hard for me to go back
to a wire after having the wireless kit yeah yeah true like I like being that
feeling of freedom that untethered Ness yeah I wonder how many people are gonna
play wirelessly on quest you know using because you could virtual desktop or
whatever yeah I think that would probably you know like so I played for
an hour and a half I think when we were there on the quest and it was one of the
less comfortable headsets just because it’s so front heavy yeah and there’s a
lot of looking down so you’re doing a lot of like like neck muscles that don’t
normally get exercised yeah or exercised and I was I was pretty stiff the next
day you were playing with link or with over virtual desktop that was with link
man it was before the official link cable was out so that it was with the
heavier anchor cable yeah which added more front weight it’s so funny right
seeing all that like daily there’s a post in our pocket
oculus quest of somebody who’s modded their their quest and said I finally
made it comfortable yeah you know yeah it looks like something on a Blade
Runner it’s like it’s got a battery pack back there a new strap a new faceplate
the battery pack is our key kind of weight yeah yeah and and I’ve done all
that like I know I know what they’re talking about it’s just funny that like
there’s this product that needs help like that much in order to feel
comfortable well the first five was like that too the first stretchy headband
I’ve was not comfortable and didn’t that that thing didn’t even have sound like
you had to plug in headphones – yeah yeah it’s yeah I mean look I think like
the engineering of the quest is amazing I love that just to be clear I think the
quest is incredible and I really love the quest despite my feelings about
Facebook as a whole me too and and honestly for me it’s more about the
convenience factor right right it’s an amazing product I I wish that I hope if
they do another version which I’m sure they will cuz it seems like it’s done
pretty well I hope they’ll pay a little more attention to the ergonomics even if
it’s just like dangling dead weight on the back of that strap so that you’re
not like so that there’s something to counteract all the hardware on the front
I did that a lot of people use a battery pack
it’s more practical serves a purpose but I’m not spending two hours in on the
quest usually so I don’t need that extra juice yeah I just bought a weight
I bought a there’s a somebody who made a Kickstarter for a specific and for my
quest I’m a strap Abul Kanter weight and he said how much it weighed and I just
found a weight that weighs that much and I strapped into the back and it actually
it does offset the weight in the front and it does a good job but it also makes
the thing this a lot heavier to lift up it just feels substantially like twice
as heavy and then it’s not so bad when you put it on but you definitely have
more momentum when you spin your head so it’s not a perfect solution I’ve heard
and you know as everything everyone else says who follows this stuff that the
next quest will be lighter and you know faster and it will be better in every
respect so curious to see what that looks like but I don’t expect to see it
this year but at the same time like the things that they’ve done to make those
headsets light like make the outside cloth means that they’re really hard to
maintain in the long term like our first gen oculus rifts that we’ve been using
for dev everyday for four years now three years now the OC one the OC well
we have the previous ones but yeah were like they’re some of them are really
gross like the ones that you handle all the time yeah the cloth gets gross
there’s no way really to clean it so it’s kind of icky I love to see
something where the electronics and the battery are decoupled from the screen in
the next gen quest and they dangle that stuff off the back there give you your
counterweight so it’s all part of the strap rather than part of the headset
you want the CPU and the in the strap is that we were saying oh yeah I want I
want the stuff this like look there’s stuff that you have to have in the front
that weighs stuff because like you need the screens where high balls are that’s
how the prototypes were yeah but there’s no reason you can’t have that have that
stuff on the on the back of the strap right dad but they they had them like
that why did they not probably it’s expensive to manufacture and there’s
probably some weird connect I think you’re probably right I think making
things as tight as possible you know is a problem and it just meant this trap
could be fabric I mean look the quest is perfect for beat saber and pistol whip
which is like 90% of what I play with it these days the quest is a success yeah
and I’m sure like Facebook can’t make enough of them it’s selling well enough
I don’t get any it’s like I don’t Lee that they have made a huge mistake there
I think it’s just interesting that there’s people modifying them to such a
degree despite yeah you know and it were that it’s successful despite people do
Moritz people needing to do that right exactly well that was a bit of a tangent
off of half-life Alex but it’s common by the time by the time it’s our next
podcast it will be within a month and that’s gonna be good are there are there
any other games that you’re really looking forward to this year I don’t
know that is I’ve seen a lot of VR announcements for this year usually that
stuff comes at GDC a Medal of Honor is the big one over oculus from that’s a
that’s the respondent is doing that yeah yeah I’ll play a respond VR game sounds
great yeah that’s the other real big one there’s a is that the last of the kind
of oculus Studios announced stuff rift games I think their focus on quest I’m a
total imagine this but I think that they if I were them I’d it’d be
cross-platform of course but it would be quite an earnest let valve and HTC have
the high-end PC market and which doesn’t seem to exist outside of stuff out
Gail’s base but now they have link so just like even quest conjoin the fun
right right right yeah Jeremy what’s happening in pop culture
today what does that mean what does that mean well huevos says he’s not very good
for that this morning oh he okay’s not down we’re not gonna be you’re not gonna
talk to her we’re not gonna just want to get that all the way up front who the
people are hanging suffering through my presence waiting for a moment with norm
don’t continue to pain themselves further oh I could have said the same
thing I’m so sorry I’m sorry sorry you have to be here I could pull up a
youtube video just put them back there just on loose move silent that’d be yeah
that might be creepy all right I like it stranger things strange things come back
for Season four now you’re not gonna be able to watch this because you’re gonna
cancel your Netflix account but sorry I will if somebody will just take care of
it for me I’m sure it’s a it’s it’s a really hot series I want to know are you
up to date have you seen stranger things a series
season one two and three so I sell all of season one love to see someone me too
but I watch like the first two episodes of season two it’s like yeah I’m
probably good I think they didn’t make it the thing that I liked is not what
they’re making here so I stopped watching it everybody felt that way yeah
and then that’s how they fixed it they went back season three even better than
season one it’s amazing gotta come back watch it did you watch it
no okay I started it and and for no reason I just stopped like I had
something going on in life and I didn’t go back to it I don’t watch TV like I
watch it I play my spend my time playing video games and adding III watch Piccard
this is the only watch these days it’s just I try to watch the card once a week
but we talk about that um yeah yeah we talk about it every week we do a spoiler
at the end of the show we are however because the the the boys aren’t here
yeah I don’t want to do before yet okay let’s talk about the first trailer
that’s fine I wanted I don’t want a double-dip so see at the end I can I
spoil the end of season three of strange things it is it too early or all the
boys aliens are they all from the down under because it’s like a beneath it
spoiled to me like I got a spoiled ham ever come back apparently yeah like I I
don’t know I have a mixed feelings about saying this because I didn’t know it and
then the season four teaser came out and everyone’s talking about it so it’s my
fault I didn’t want season three if you didn’t watch the end of season three
it’s your fault I think you still watch it if you know this
but hopper apparently he’s the cop right yeah he mysteriously spoilers by the way
he mysteriously you know I will say vanishes and there’s a there’s a you
think at the end of season 3 maybe he’s dead you’ve good reason if you can’t
wait you can’t kill Winona Ryder’s TV husband right she’s not enough sadness
in your life but she suffered one reason why I don’t feel too bad spoiling this
because even if you did see that apparently there’s a mid end credits
like one of these Marvel type things where they show you a little finger is
on TV a stinger they’ve got a stinger yeah we’re mid-credits gross like the
credits start to roll and there’s no music Netflix needs to be stopped
this is out of control this is their there they’ve they’ve thrown out the
forms they’re not respecting the medium you are an angry man you are very angry
I’m gonna get a new t-shirt made this is f Netflix you don’t have to have that
made that’s not Amazon so you you watch that you see the the horrible demise of
sergeant hopper ray and then admit the credit start to roll there’s no music
yeah snow starts to fall and then you see a scene a new scene you haven’t seen
before it’s in Russia there’s guards speaking in Russian and it’s subtitled
and they say no not the American he’s behind one of the doors and what and the
American is what the Russians call hopper throughout season three way
they’re Russians yeah this is a cabin in the woods thing
whether it’s like people pulling the strings for the people it’s the eighties
dude the 80s were all about the Russians of the bad guys okay so you gotta get
you got to get on board it’s like you gotta go back when we’re against
monsters Russians we’re all that we we’re on Team human here man I know
giant plant nightmare monster oh that’s so sweet that is that is exactly right
now I love you brother yeah that is the right attitude but no
that is not the surface nothing season three like very early like the Dustin
taps into like with shortwave radio he cat he hears the Russians like you know
doing something 7:36 with with Orion with the upside down 92 and
yeah so anyway with the teaser that’s been released for season four yeah
everyone’s on board now there’s gonna be season four features hopper so he’s a
lot it’s a flashback no he’s alive in Russia and some sort of work camp Wow
yeah so be Russia hoppers yes some things yes and so that’s that’s the
thing and so that’s this is a big deal this is a big deal people who loved
strange things huh I really enjoyed the first season of stranger things a lot
you imagine that yeah have I enticed you are you gonna go back
and watch season three well I mean now that you told me what happens I’m
probably okay that’s just the ending you gotta get there it’s about the journey
look I have a lot of journeys you know what I’ll do it real quick tangent here
about stranger things pinball that’s the newest pinball released from
stern pinball’s stranger things okay this is a big deal because it was
designed by Brian Eddie who designed none other what is an attack from Mars
wow that’s a good table and medieval madness
that’s an amazing table which are two of the most highly valued tables that you
can possibly find in God to your pinball it is God to your pinball design
something they brought him out of retirement he hadn’t done a pin motion
since medieval madness these tell me the table flips over 1997 owner like you’re
playing and then just whammo it spins and you’re like upside down your balls
there yeah no this is Stern we’re talking about okay they don’t spend
money okay so it doesn’t do that but it does have a special feature I don’t know
if your if you’re aware of this but if you buy pinball machines nowadays you
can buy the pro tier yeah which is the basic pinball machine but if you want
all the bells and whistles you have to buy the premium or limited edition
embalm so you like that Wizard of Oz machine you hadn’t know what that’s a
bit different that’s dersy Jack he put he like put all the bells and whistles
in the base machine but priced it the same is like more than premium okay
that’s different thing you’ve gone off off-topic we’re sticking with stern okay
look I can’t control myself now now the strange of things twist if you get if
you get the premium if you get to Ellie it costs almost $2,000 more to house it
that’s a lot seventeen it’s a lot of chatter hundred dollars more you get
something they’d never done before and revolt one of the children from the show
delivers it to you they put a projector a pico projector underneath the apron
where the balls go when you okay and it shoots out over the
playfield and then they put reflective material on targets yeah ramps and that
part of the game is this big screen that that sits in the center of the screen
looks like a drive-in theater and that screen will fold down becomes a ramp to
shoot a ball up into a demagogue in the mouth all right so that’s all like that
mechanic is in the pro but the projector and the reflective material not in the
pretty cool the problem is that the reflective material
it’s like masking tape like it doesn’t reflect very well they did not splurge
they did not spend the money on the good reflective material told five reflective
stuff what that stuff’s amazing that’s what you want you want order like any
type of screen material you have to buy this $1,700 extra pinball machine and
then scrape the shitty reflective something often but you’re just put it
on top of it buy yourself some some better stickers I’m sure there’s gonna
be a market for that but the news the news of this week is that they’ve
announced a new product for this machine that the ports are not appropriate where
it’s it activates a feature you didn’t know whether there and that feature is
UV reactive paint in the play field so the game will enter mode just like a
Tesla’s sometime like Siri pay us money and we’ll make you make your battery
better exactly or like you know will unlock us off her feet yeah she go yeah
so it’s it’s basically UV strips that go along the inside of your game and at the
base and then the game will enter mode and they will turn on and you will see a
pattern in the play field that you didn’t know was there that looks like
the dust in the upside down and they’re charging you 270 dollars for this set of
of UV and booster hers no the sugars already there it the same sorry the LED
strips and a board to control it and and people are not happy
I’ve now I’ve not seen the pinball community on heavy this is horse armor
for pinball they have not been happy about spending money on pinball since
I’ve known the Hobby no it’s a their enthusiastic about spent they love
centum money this is DLC yes nobody wants DLC for hardware it was is
the interesting thing that no one knew that this paint job was on the game
but you see it if you push SHINee a black line on it but there you go like
that’s that’s unfortunately that this is the stranger thing let’s just charge the
full two grand extra for the thing and put it in there yeah just put it in
there just don’t make don’t give me that I
don’t want to be hassled very strange it was very strange there’s a stranger
thing if some might say do you remember HQ yeah uh we used like I think you’re
weird aus cute ski I think Gary Whitta was the first person I was aware of it
he he was on a tear like he would he won like 40 bucks
he won money and he tweet about this a lot we played so Jeana that I started
playing Jeana started playing Jeana shared with his wife his wife shared
with Gary Gary might have fight about it independently but but like you’re
staking your claim on this one you were there first I was very into this briefly
until I won like twice and got like 32 cents each time I was like well this is
a complete waste of time Wow yeah I never want it yeah but I’m
not a smart man so that that’s comes as no small right being good at trivia
being smarter independent of each other you you and Gary and and norm
I suspect you guys won many times and if I may be that was enjoyable for you I
the game apparently withered and it didn’t have the following that at once
had but you’re saying they had the rock and then it went away
weird The Rock co-hosted episodes debate let me explain what this is for people
who don’t remember it two years ago live real-time trivia game with streaming
video of the host telling you the questions forced portrait orientation on
your phone yeah so you’d sign in every day at the same
interview in Pacific and you would join the game it would be a live broadcast
and it was that live element that made it special and made it feel like you
were it you know you don’t attending something you were involved you were a
contestant on a live game show we would be having like breakfast for dinner at a
diner with Gary yeah in his family and it would be time for each Ken and like
all the adults would without shame pull out their fronts and also like a
significant percentage of people in the audience would do it too I mean I mean
in the restaurant you felt like you were part of a live studio audience
yeah wow that really was a finish yeah we were in a big bear black bear
whatever that bear places well no more HQ has closed
shop apparently they had a buyer lined up and in the wings and all they had to
do was write a check that’s how it always goes that goes and then the buyer
at the last minute said we’ve changed her mind we’re not gonna buy it without
Rogalski cuz they sacked four gaskey a couple years ago they sack him or did he
leave for better pasture say he tried to like do a gentle departure where he was
like I’m gonna go to this podcast about baseball which is what I really loved
right but I’m happy to still come do your Game Show because I’m the one that
people like and then they were like no we don’t need you anymore and then couch
yeah yeah so it’s gone HQ shuttered you know I it’s it I will always remember
them though for that for this weird moment in time where the people really
did something on their phones that they had never done before I think they
should get credit for that it was kind of like humor 1 vs. 100 on the Xbox you
were playing that I didn’t play that oh that was a that was a similar kind of
like much smaller scale yeah but like you could login it want at 6 o’clock on
Monday evenings every week oh it was if it time as well oh yeah it was it was a
fixed time they had a live host they’d pull people from xbox alive from the
audience to be part of the 100 and then they promote one of those people to be
the main contestant the one and basically the the way that game worked
was you had to beat the panel if you were the main player the panel of 100
players and it was all your Xbox Live avatars did you ever get chosen
I was never dan amarak was the one once as I work he was the one he was the one
no I mean did you I was on the panel of 100 a couple of times you were that
happened occasionally was that exciting it was okay huh but if you won there you
got Xbox Points so you could buy games like you liked when you won the 100 is
100 they would give you like 150 or 200 bucks worth of Xbox Live points and the
same kind of deal which trivia questions you have trivia questions and you have
10 seconds to answer yeah I think I think I can’t remember the game work I
think you had to be I think you had to be more correct than the panel I also
like if the pant if the question the panel if the hundred if the 100 got the
pants are wrong and you got the answer right then you were good why would
suspect so yeah but I don’t remember how the mechanics were okay
it was a TV show to what what I was impressed by HQ was that you there
really wasn’t time to cheat like they really they figured that out
yeah as they would throw the question up there and you think it’s a trivia
question I have Google anybody in the world can play this game
anybody can cheat at this game but there’s not time to Google the question
fast enough even if you if you have a panel of people like ready to help you
maybe so we went to some effort to figure out how to game this system yeah
one of the things you could do to help was have multiple people answering so
then you had more chances yeah of getting what you had to look at your
phone number so yeah I mean you got to have multiple phone numbers and it was a
process you divvy up the answers so that you say if we if nobody knows I’ll do a
you do B it’s like if you have four people playing you only do that one time
this is a four choice multiple multiply it but it’s a strategy one free answer
basically right the other thing you could do is have one person doing the
inputting and one person doing the looking up so as soon as he starts
reading the question you can start typing into Google did you actually find
there was time to do that it was real tight like you would just barely get the
answer in time for the right answer to come and and often like the first Google
result would be wrong so funny yeah yeah and they did a pretty good job writing
the questions they made mistakes sometimes they had a couple of wrong
answers in there errors yeah yeah gee do you know how many people worked on that
show I mean and I’m not saying it was a hundred but I was shocked to hear is 25
people yeah that’s well I mean I don’t know like as any secret to say that like
tested has fewer than ten like yeah it’s like that’s an enormous staff for a
streaming uh the trivia show a lot of it was like the technical side of that was
really hard cuz getting video to say in sync across hundreds of thousands of
users on mobile yeah really hard cuz it would stay in sync even if you were like
one person was on Wi-Fi and one person was on cell but that’s not that doesn’t
take a team of like full-time employees that you outsource that don’t you that
that is a really specific thing that I don’t think you can outsource even what
I know about how video works on the Internet really like isn’t that what
twitch does know cuz twitch twitch will get wildly out of sync from client to
client like in one person’s connection slow or like they’re on their phone it
drops then they’ll be you know the packets that they are behind keep adding
up until they’re five ten seconds behind right and with HQ if you’re five or ten
seconds behind that gives you a massive advantage over the person not sure you
know so like I don’t I think it was a hard the thing that they did was hard
just do the technical side of that is art and you think all of that tech was
first party built yeah I’m pretty sure oh that would shock me so if anything my
guess is that they outsource because like you can buy trivia questions for
game shows that are one use from clearing houses in LA so you you buy
like the rights to for X period of time to these 50 questions and my guess is
they use those as the base and then right there they’re clever repartee for
Scott and whoever after that well then if that’s the case I mean if they really
owned that streaming technology then that would be something to buy but you
could see that as something that any company could put well a company could
put to use phrase many number any number you need it for
for live things like that it usually doesn’t matter it doesn’t matter of
theory synchronous but if you’re actually doing any kind of live event
which clearly there’s something to it if that was if that was popular briefly
yeah but maybe it was it was just the game show that was the bad idea but
people actually would like to turn it into a live something and be feel like
they’re a part of something well the other thing is the people who owned it
were kind of crappy like the people who started it were bad and then one of the
founders died there was about it yeah there’s a lot of stuff that happened rug
overdose yeah so we’ll see you HQ I’ll always remember you the last episode is
on YouTube the two hosts that we’re still there at the end mo really had
giant bottles of champagne is very funny it’s sad it’s funny they they had feels
let’s got there Scott was not they didn’t invite Scott back the you know
you ever watch the toys that made us yeah I love that it’s on Netflix I like
to you know I watch the movies that made us before my problems with F net flix I
have not yet watch the movies that made us I watch that I watched I harden I
watched ghostbusters yeah they’re all good both good I would like to say that
I I have a conversation with people from time to time what would you like to see
them cover in the toys that made us write like if they’ve done the
Transformers which for me was the big one transformers and Kenner Star Wars
were the two big ones for me and er Star Wars was there probably I would imagine
is the most popular one mask maybe oh really man yeah but like I learned about
it after the fact I did not know about masks i play with masks masks and
transformers were like essentially the same thing leg
was a huge was one of their best episodes it’s a really good episode
system the system my little pony surprisingly interesting no it was I got
watch that one and now but when I ask people what should they cover up for
whatever reason I’ve never heard Magic the Gathering and yet it is a brilliant
thing to cover and in fact they think it’s such a good idea they’re doing an
entire documentary on it I was just thinking what I needed it was like a
12-part 16-hour Magic the Gathering like how it works documentary I don’t think
this is gonna be your Ken Burns style you know PBS 12 par I want some still
images that we zoom in and out of slowly yeah and I want a soothing voice talking
about the the cards no I this is smart I never played Magic the
Gathering which is maybe why it never occured to me but my son was addicted to
it in a way that was actually negative so I I hope that they do cover like some
of that because I think there are people out there with magic problems I want I
want somebody sitting like in a trailer talking about how they wish that their
kid had gotten into crack instead of Magic the Gathering
ah you see now that’s good perspective yeah because I would rather he be in a
magic then crack see that’s good I appreciate that yeah this is good
therapy have you ever played magic together no really no look there’s a
level of math and memorizing things in your like I don’t have the short-term
memory to put magic together really I think the normal cohorts I have here
both played magic together norm I’m pretty sure yeah definitely no I’m did
I’m not sure my cash or either but but given that they have so much in common
with the comic book stuff I just feel like it’s pop just think they’re the
right kind of nerds yeah yeah I don’t have any problem with people by magic
yeah no beef well your daughter hasn’t been addicted to it yet well so just
wait and you’re gonna wish maybe well like I so I like a lot of the games that
spawned off of magic so like hearthstone I played some
hearthstone which is it’s silly like simple yeah like maybe I don’t want to
say simplify because I don’t understand how magic works well enough to say but
it’s a video game but I feel like it’s a more simple version of the kind of core
mechanics but certainly when it launched perhaps it was yeah but it they’ve been
expanding it ever since then I played a Star Trek card game that was
a zit they all are based on magic it’s the most popular non-traditional deck
card game that there is well I love Dominion which which like spawned out of
the idea of collectible like I don’t like collectible card games you see you
say you’re the wrong you’re not that kind of nerd but you oh no I that kind
of nerve you play board games yeah like nobody I know you played Azul
last night that game is incredible all right Oh tell me about Dominion so
Dominion is a deck building game not you know there’s no like mat there’s no
tapping there’s no lanes or anything like that like givin magic but it was
the idea is you buy the box for 40 bucks and you get all the cards that you need
yeah and then everybody plays off the same potential set of cards versus magic
where you have to go buy blind boxes and get the hoping to get the cards that you
want need in order to continue that’s the gambling deck that’s that’s the part
I don’t like loot boxes yeah yeah netrunner android netrunner is the magic
esque game that is not a collectible card game you just buy the boxes and you
get exactly what you need okay yeah they don’t make that anymore of course now
this just in Norman chin says maybe in 30 Oh ping me
30 minutes from now and we will we will see what we can do okay okay oh wait
okay he says he could do now he considered you now or in 30 let’s do 30
so we’ll do it in 30 that’s gonna be interesting can you let me know when
it’s been 30 minutes can somebody do that can send anything set it to set a
timer for 30 minutes please sorry okay you have a male Siri Nigerian British
series no no just male oh that’s me I do
British female Wow yes I’ve explained that tells us a lot
about what you’re into Jamie wait what it tells you is what it doesn’t tell you
but the truth is is I just couldn’t listen to American Siri anymore I
couldn’t do it it gave me PTSD honestly because of the early days when she just
didn’t get it she’s it’s still terrible yeah it’s still really bad it is so much
better than it used to be low bar and so I every time I heard her voice wet even
if she understood me I was like we don’t I don’t like you I do not like you
because you did we don’t speak the same language and so
I had to change it and it’s a brilliant solution yeah
because it feels like a different person entirely no the only problem is Britta
Siri sometimes thinks I live in San Francesco
that’s pretty amazing I am i switch to male Siri because I thought it was weird
that I was always asking female Siri to do shit for me I thought it had a bad
example for my daughter it’s it’s really subliminal that’s very subtle yeah I
like it yeah that’s smart I think it’s weird that all the assistants are female
why haven’t they taken a celebrity and digitized that voice
Waze does that shrek gives me turn directions all the time are they sample
boy donkey darn left in 300 meters high series yeah are they samples or they
done properly depends on which ones they did so like there’s there are always
celebrity or character voice packs for ways like when Star Wars last Jedi came
out they had I think c-3po and r2d2 they’ve got to be samples I
well like r2d2 would be samples but but c-3po I’m sure they got Anthony knows
like turn left in 300 meters but you know how this stuff is done they take of
a voice artist they have them say every possible phoneme put in the in in a
language yeah they come up with sentences that contain those phonemes
that sound like nonsense you know they record them all in and then they do
machine learning to in order to break apart all those sentences and turn those
sounds into samples that they can incorporate into brand-new phrases and
that may allows them to say anything Juden in ways now you can you record
your own voice to give voice directions to guide you on the road this is not
what I’m talking about here here’s Cookie Monster let’s hear what this
sounds like I can do Cookie Monster c is for cookie it’s good enough for me okay
well let me do a preview samples is now what I’m talking about
that’s the Alexis stuff where you can get samuel l.jackson to tell you what
the weather is they brought him into the studio and they had him say yeah the
weather tomorrow is gonna be amazing they paid the voice actor to record a
bazillion line I don’t want that I want the cool raw phone and stuff I want
because those are the voices that they actually like the actual Siri voice
sounds like that that voice artists that they mom
now why don’t they take somebody who’s what the guy who does the voice of
Jarvis you know oh yeah we’re the guy who did the voice of how I want to hear
actual computer voices from movie history turn it like coming out of my
thing and I wanted to be able to say anything like that would be amazing and
they could certainly sell it that that would be nice so I have some friends who
do that they can learn they do have a company that you can do let’s see I
can’t find the demo but basically they you can talk for like six minutes read
us a couple of scripts that they have that are like yeah anywhere from like
five hours long to like ten minutes long and it will generate a computer voice
that sounds exactly like that person are you serious yeah that is a technology
that exists but to anybody anybody can do that no I mean you have to pay them
yes but okay how much do they charge for them it’s
something like that I is it astronomical or is it twenty dollars I mean it’s a
business thing it’s a business thing so it’s astronomical its astronomical but
that’s great I didn’t know that that was even available to people like you and me
yeah so like here you go here’s I don’t know if this is good radio yeah are you
gonna play something if you could girl if you could play a voice that’s done by
a celebrity I don’t know if they have any celebrity voices but let’s see this
works yeah this is bad radio that one sounds bad that was off of 16 minutes
you know if you get let’s not do this you could send me the link I can
actually play it for our friends in the audience
pretty much better okay I’m gonna post it in our chat on our chat notes now
speaking of voices celebrity voices yeah that’s the best segue I got for you this
I guess look with this the segue guys not here Wow this is a Netflix program
fuck Netflix yeah did you know that they’re gonna make a masters of the of
the universe show I’ve no affinity for masters at the universe I don’t either
I did not I did known a single he-man figure I although I will say I was aware
of it what my daughter is losing a front tooth today she sent me this picture
yeah sure it’s like a meme you want me to put it
on the big star please don’t I was aware of masses universe I like the idea of
he-man also an excellent episode of the toys that made us it seemed too close to
wrestling for me and I didn’t like wrestling I didn’t like wrestling yeah
but you know the whole thing with I have the power you met you by the power of
Grayskull did you see that episode of the toys about this I care about that
man right you should watch them anyway the
ones that you don’t think you care about are the most interesting well I probably
don’t have Netflix anymore it’s the whole thing like if you don’t if you
never watch T man and the Masters the of the universe he-man before he Z man cuz
he’s got two forms his name is just Steve yeah he’s a regular guy yeah and
then a huge muscle man when he needs muscles he brings his sword he holds it
to the sky and he says by the power of Grayskull I have the power
yes yeah and then he was pretty muscly and then he not muscle guy and then it
becomes a wrestler yeah the loincloth that phrase I have the
power was a was developed by the marketing department of course I was now
this you always hear products designed by marketing departments they’re the
worst byah this is where it came into play
because they what they did was they saw they wanted to make a toy they wanted to
make a doll that boys would play with yeah and so they looked far and wide
they couldn’t find any good examples of it and they looked for what boys want
the power not just boys but kids and it turns out they have no power and what
they want in life is power and so that phrase was something that really
resonated with children particularly boys who want to control over agency
over their lives it couldn’t just say I want agency so that just as a side note
I thought that was fascinating thank you the toys that made us they’re
making a new series no thanks ma’am animated Masters of the Universe serious
okay and for this you know what Will Smith her hello I will are you gonna
behave eq’s I will put this on the big screen so if you’re watching live dad
don’t look at the ad zoom in here and slow now crotchety Luke Skywalker I want
you to think about voice acting and and ask yourself if you’re making
masters at the universe what kind of budget do you have where
you gonna spend the money you know maybe it’s not a Netflix maybe you’ll get I
know all the money they’re not spending on good customer service they can dump
into mark hamill so like they have this is a true spared no expense
voice cast hey you’re welcome to my 60 bucks Hamel so mark hamill none other
than our camel Luke fucking sky why singing the best character in the entire
universe the dog like the horse dog the he-man rides like a clear tiger I know
what you’re talking about it’s like it’s like it looks like a dog what’s his name
captain Skeletor yes it is Captain Skeletor voicing
Captain Scott I do right that’s straight familiar from The Wizard an elder of of
he meant yeah this is uh you can almost hear it like he’s the perfect voice guy
he has a good laugh yeah because you’ve heard him do the Joker yeah
this is you know I mean Skeletor has a good life too right that we have a
sample no no samples quotas playing she wrote Buffy I already do it she wrote
you that is not sure that’s Tila oh that’s Tila she wrote was she was a
spinoff Hemans sister yeah that’s right I don’t know who that is
the ghost boy Alicia Silverstone back from clueless
you may remember Lisa silver said she was bad girl for a little while she’s
doing Queen Mariana yeah I don’t know any only got that one
I don’t know these you got the guy the guy the guy mr. Bies
Candyman remember this movie camera man never saw that was that also lead the
fuckin desire Trek The Next Generation he’s doing scare glow these aren’t real
characters are they yeah they are scare glow across crossover with the gorgeous
ladies of wrestling because that would make a lot of sense
look at that she’s a cool hat you’ve got the the Queen from Game of Thrones oh
yeah there’s a queen Queens usually scare see yeah yeah she’s doing a smear
lady evil-lyn oh yeah okay I don’t know Buck Rogers
I was playing Steve also yeah the hat man he’s he’s the majordomo also from
Game of Thrones yeah he’s a good guy his name’s buck Lannister I think
liam Cunningham is his name okay and he’s doing man-at-arms he Manor Dobbs is
an important character because he has arms dude that dude from office space
whoa I want my red my red stapler Liam Neeson
dude it’s not Liam Neeson yeah it’s Liam Neeson from office space and and and his
name Stephen Drew Newsradio Stephen root oh right right right and he’s doing
Cringer Wow alright cringer ginger talks other guy from office space slackjaw to
entrap jo trap josh shit i just let’s that’s that’s all I recognized fell
would get his ass kicked guy I can’t but look this robbery Rollins like its
Ferguson from from Carol Channing’s room is alan oppenheimer he’s the original
voice that he meant what yeah they don’t have him doing here man she was in
Wonder Woman in Justice League she’s doing the voice of sorceress her name is
Susan Eisenberg I think that was gal gadot and Wonder Woman and Justice
League by the way she’s obviously not Wonder Woman
she’s in the movie I’m making this up yes it’s Justin from the Met commercials
Galaxy Quest he’s cool he’s he’s the cold urges the Mac I mean everyone
watched those because of the PC but yeah maybe like I love I told you know Iowans
told Hodgman I’d really love what you did for PC people with those ads and he
just walked away from me hope it was the right response knows that he knows that
right stone guy from clerks right yeah it’s Silent Bob he’s doing a stink or
wow that seems right and then back to the nightmare be man I mean what an
incredible what about Finn head i I don’t know but this is a life you spend
money on your voice artists yeah you will you get professional voice actors
if you spend a lot more money than you get real actors is it I just wonder like
wow just to be clear I didn’t need denigrate voice actors there I think
voice actors do something incredible and one of the things I love is when I see a
new animated show that’s just real voice actors and not actor actors because the
voice actors aren’t good at doing voices what they’ve done is they’ve really
taken a Pixar approach to their voice actors because for whatever reason
Pixar doesn’t trust unnamed voice actors to do the work no charge at Pixar it
must be that names attract audiences that’s true
even to cartoons yeah right like you don’t go to see Tom Hanks in Toy Story
you go to adhere Tom Hanks in Toy Story and apparently that means something to
audiences and so they’ve figured that out at Nemzek City they must be onto
something it’s worth the investment let’s pay all
these people to do the voices of our cartoons maybe these people really love
he-man they’re just super family maybe they’re just taking a pay cut honestly I
always thought it was really weird that Woody from Toy Story wasn’t voiced
by Woody Harrelson cuz they already had the same name they’re like ready to go
can you imagine how good that movie would be if it was voiced by Woody
Harrelson think about it that’s good I mean think about it he was named woody
and cheers what right yeah he plays his best characters are when he’s had the
same name as em I could imagine as an actor it’s much easier to do that
because somebody says your name you’re just like you don’t have to think oh
that’s me yeah you turn your head really quick and you’re like right there do we
yeah speaking of Disney there’s an Aladdin sequel only works Aladdin
Aladdin – the return of Jafar one – it’s just a Latin it’s the Will Smith and
Blue Gene you fucking kidding Ladon oh my god
do you know how successful that film was they made a lot of money a billion
dollars they may had like a dozen billion dollar movies last year it
doesn’t need the same problems just have a dozen billion dollar movies this was
one of a handful and it was so successful which I gotta be honest with
you we came as a surprise to me too because when that poster came out it was
like Sonic the Hedgehog it was like everyone was just hating on it and I
didn’t think anybody would go see it I saw it recently because it’s on the
Disney Plus yeah it’s just it’s just they’re looking at yeah it is not bad
you know I was just thinking you know I’m gonna spend a couple hundred million
dollars in a movie I’m shooting for not all that bad I mean first of all there’s
no replacing Robin Williams like that was that that was if you’re not gonna if
you’re gonna decide not to make a movie that’s the reason not to make it what a
hubris you know my Will Smith would have to have to step into Robin Williams so
what having seen any curly-toed shoes what I realized they did was they said
look we’ll in convincing him to do it if it
took convincing they would have said to him we’ll we don’t need you to be Robin
Williams we want you to be Will Smith and all of the genie stuff all of the
stuff that Robin Williams did yeah we’ll do that with CG magic yeah and it will
be a special effect like the special effect will be the chaotic you know the
chaos that is the genie and you just bring the personality and the voice
talent so he says welcome to earth and then punches an alien in the face and
then magics the monkey into an elephant earth he does not say ARF he 100% does
not say her isn’t that the quote though that’s what the internet thinks he said
but I’ve gone back and listen to the movie he says welcome to earth I like
that you read early and punch you represent Will Smith Sam yes so they’re
gonna redo return of Jafar is that what’s happening here the right to video
sequel to Aladdin 1992 in fact they have said that any force that those
direct-to-video sequels are their own thing and they’re going in a whole new
direction a new direct wait they there what is it Star Wars calls the old EU
expanded universe extended universe you you mean stuff that’s no color legacy
legacy content or something that’s what that is
sure whatever it’s a sport you Navarre split so I gotta tell you though it’s
not it’s not all that bad like if you grew up as I did yeah listening to Will
Smith IV actors were not the actor the rapper yeah and you knew every word –
he’s the DJ I’m the rapper yes you’re glad to see him doing that again and and
there there are musical numbers in Ladin then the ones that involved Will Smith
are all great I like the idea of him playing the character he plays in bad
boys but in a way that it’s appropriate for me to watch with my seven-year-old
this is not that it’s not no but like he said would be Rupp would hear a partay
he’s fast he’s quick there’s a few scenes that are good there like that but
he’s not the star the star isn’t Aladdin and that’s not that great like I’m gonna
say that he’s just got some kid off the street
he’s very surgeon he’s really smart rying to do the cartoon Aladdin he just
doesn’t feel like a full-fledged person or to an Aladdin’s pretty smarmy exactly
and he like makes mistakes he’s got problems
I booked it’s true it’s true characters awesome
cartoon and what I want is more person like real relatable humanity from my
people in Mike in my Disney films Jasmine’s great she’s fantastic um and
but Will Smith the start of the show and and musical numbers there are many the
ones without Will Smith I can do without but the ones with him I’m telling you
sounds like a real mixed bag I’m really glad that he’s doing it it feels like a
Bollywood film like so my seven-year-old daughter absolutely detest these
live-action Disney movies she didn’t like Lion King cuz was way too scary
with real lions I haven’t seen that yet but yeah she didn’t like jungle buck cuz
it was way too scary with real animals really she didn’t really like Beauty the
Beast cuz like I think I like the cartoon better dad oh yeah like the
dresses were pretty but the cartoon was better I hadn’t seen that even yeah and
then we haven’t watched Maleficent cuz it’s like Angelina Jolie is a witch
seems like she would be terrifying Oh that’d be horrible yeah try Aladdin I’m
probably okay for your daughter give it a shot you might like it my my daughter
who is a little older than yours she’s 10 we watched a latin by the end of the
film she erupted in applause had she seen the original Aladdin the real one
yeah so for me the original Aladdin the best songs are that I can show you the
world the ones that are not the Robin Williams songs necessarily right so if
they ruined those and made the Robin Williams songs which weren’t that great
the good ones yeah I’m gonna be pretty raw about this a lot and that’s pretty
much what it is that’s pretty much well that stinks although the one that there
is you know what fuck Disney too this is the anti Netflix anti Disney podcast
what about Mulan are you like stoked about that Mulan movie it looks at rad I
too am super stoked yeah do you think your daughter will be no she’s way too
scary for her I can tell already by the time she’s like 10 should we will watch
it does look like like an egg me like it looks like it looks like Crouching Tiger
yeah it looks like an adult-film like I mean it looks like we made it looks like
it’s not an adult I didn’t mean that it looks like a film for no it’s a Wow Wow
it looks like a film like it looks like they’re making a martial arts movie yeah
that just happens to be about this character from a Disney which is crazy
it looks like any martial arts would be made for Western audiences about a
Disney character children’s movie that I think is made up entirely
I don’t think Disney took some like classic story from China
right it was like we’re gonna modernize this and westernize it and then released
I think they just made some shut up which it happened to be set in China
which means they can own it forever well of course I you know what speaking of
stories for kids my my kids just recently went to go see a Harry Potter
play Harry Potter and the cursed child you know about this it’s a two-part they
watched both parts it’s a pink no spoilers I don’t have
them to give you it’s but I will tell you it is a two-night performance you
have to buy two tickets we if you do the matinee you can do the afternoon in the
evening which is nuts because they’re three hour shows you but you have like
three two hours in between so you’ve got you you go for an entire three-hour
performance and then you have to go back to see it again for like and apparently
it’s so good yeah that you do you do go back and see the second half did you
those books were really long jeremy cho Rowling’s never written something short
is her name jo jo JK jo something joke a brown joe yeah joe it’s it’s it’s not
the books it’s all in this story i know there’s some reads a little Kapiti if
you want to know it now have you seen it no from what I understand will yes you
want to see it I have a friend who saw it and said it was astounding the
special effects in this are unlike they raised the bar they raised the bar for
stage shows they actually suck the soul out of the kid that plays Harry Potter’s
kid with the de mentor on stage live every night they have a new kid every
day I’m telling you like my family came home they sit there like 20 special
effects in this thing and every one of them you’re like how did they do that
makes Hamilton look like a pile of crap in terms of all we got a spinning stage
lalala right exactly exactly I I did ask my son I said better than Hamilton he
said no but he loved yeah he loved it and he was really into it
so I dad says that’s a tangent but I wanted to put that out there if you’re
in San Francisco it’s showing if it’s in London where is it in temperature switch
theaters that I dunno I don’t know oh because it’s not the Orpheum still
Hamill yeah yeah that would be him it’s in almost this year yeah what what else
about the return of Jafar oh that’s the link to the voice thing that we talked
about a while ago okay do I would skip it at this point that’s that okay well
you know what now would be a good time to hear
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think of it that way because you got started in at ARS technica which has
tech in the name right it’s right there and then you moved on to be the
editor-in-chief of Maximum PC Magazine yeah and then you founded tested comm
which was you know the world’s number one tech side
everyone tests where people are like hey it’s tested and so here we are we’re
we’re in the root the real me the real mean everything up with at this point
has just been me yelling about Netflix I thought we could chat a little bit about
g-force now because I had questions about it yeah when it launched a week or
two ago and it sounds like you have some experience with it I went to their
website and I mash the button said give me a free trial oh and I did that so
what is a free trial so there are two tiers of service one is free yeah and
you log into it you have to create account you download a thing and then I
think you’ll play for like an hour at a time you might have to wait to start
playing because you have to get in the queue behind all the people they’re
paying presumably real briefly this is a cloud-based PC gaming service yeah but
the neat thing about it is unlike say stadia you don’t have to buy the games
from them so they’ve been Bey this thing has been in beta for a year maybe two a
little really long time okay they originally like hey we’re gonna have a
store we can buy games you can just play them from the cloud and then they beta
tested there he’s like no we don’t we don’t want to have to buy games in a
different place we want to buy all of our games on Steam and origin and you
play and because I already have Blizzard cuz I already have all the some games I
don’t want to have another I don’t need another store yeah
so what they do now is you download this client you signup to the service you
done this client and then you say which game do you want to play just type it in
you’re like I want to play I played player unknowns battlegrounds which I
have yeah I picked because I played 3,000 hours of it and I know I know what
the game is supposed to feel like I wanted that something that’s familiar
with so I typed player nodes battlegrounds was like okay here you go
it it opens up a remote window to a server that’s hosted in the cloud you
see your steam with it you log into steam there way so it is a like a remote
desktop – like a VLP doing like a
not a VLC a virtual machine that’s in a minute yes so you’re basically running
your steam on their cloud yeah and then it pipes it down to your computer over
video does it look like windows like are you seeing a Windows desktop mmm no it
looked like steam looked like steam but it’s like they were desktop there’s no
there’s no windows that you could see but it is Windows right it’s not like I
assume so can’t be Linux it wouldn’t run everything I mean it only runs like a
thousand things Oh so but it runs like apex legends and
stuff like that so I assume it’s I assume they’re running Windows and they
have some sort of licensing with Microsoft to do it to deal with that you
can’t do normal Windows stuff in the on g-force now that I I didn’t like I
didn’t try to run minesweeper or whatever but but it just worked for the
most part so you it’s like do you want to install this you hit install on play
on pub G and like it installs in half a second faster than on my fiber so it’s
already installed I think it’s probably cached locally or so like they have some
sort of solution okay and when you turn it on it just starts playing the game
like normal now the resolutions were a little bit limited it wants to play most
of it like 720p or 1080p you is that what the video stream is the video
stream I think was 1080p interesting okay yeah but you can’t do fork I
couldn’t do 4k even though I have a 4k monitor the quality was kind of like it
was definitely less good than my then you know like I have a 20 ATI and a BV
computer so like it definitely didn’t look as good as the 20 atti and the
beefy computer running locally but like the first thing I did was dome somebody
with a single-shot rifle from like 200 meters so iron sights so like it felt
just like Bob G worked reasonably well there was a little more latency on the
on the video and there was occasional video artifacting but it worked really
well those are the two questions I mean yeah when you like I was shocked that I
was able to right out of the gate like first first or second shot was ahead
John I was thinking about doing one of my pub G streams running g-force now
just to see if it impacts my play because I think that would be a fun test
has anyone measured the latency I think that they said they’re looking for sub
20 milliseconds on the video latency and that’s what they’re delivering that’s
what they’re delivering my ping was more or less the same
like in the game my pain was more or less the same so presumably that’s
adding so that’s maybe a frame or two I mean that’s not much well I mean I
rendered 120 frames a second on the desktop so it’s late you’re not you’re
not getting 120 from not from you’re only getting 60 from GeForce now yeah so
presumably you assume your normal video latency is somewhere between like 6 and
12 milliseconds depending what your monitor is right so presumably I’m
getting an extra like 8 or 10 seconds of latency maybe a little bit more maybe a
little bit less on the render but it worked it worked pretty well okay and
the video quality you said you saw a little bit of artifacting but it was
negligible it was fine the performance was pretty good the the quality of the
like the settings that it would let you set in the game were lower than what I
can run on the desktop but that makes sense because it’s probably you know the
so the other difference on the paid and not paid tier is that the paid tier you
get access to RTX GPUs really on the free tier you’re limited to pascal which
i think is 1080 1080 is ok whatever but yeah like it worked
it was it was and it was it’s interesting to me that you can just play
the games that you already have okay you don’t have to pay for you don’t go buy a
new game the same game someplace else and like if your saves are in the cloud
the new tape just pulls down I blink I played a little bit of Witcher the other
night on it so I guess it works pretty well that makes a lot of sense for
people who already have a library PC games yeah because they’ve been a PC
gamer but they don’t now they’re maybe they’re ready for a new PC instead of
buying a new PC and spending $1,000 they would Swit move to the cloud and they
bring their library with and that’s kind of the appeal I would imagine I mean or
if you travel or something like that I like I think part of the problem right
now is that the system is a little bit thin so for example there’s no iOS
client for the GeForce now thing you can play on PC Android and the shield the
shield family of the Nvidia shield family of devices but I don’t think that
there’s an iOS or Apple TV ok but that there’s nothing holding them back from
making this uni there’s a video streamer and an input streamer like yeah you just
need a data stream yeah it’s pretty straightforward
it worked much better than I was expecting I like I didn’t try to play
Mortal Kombat or something like that but it’s not like a fighting game where
you were framed perfect latency matters but I also am not enough of a fighting
game player for that register for me so are you surprised that it’s not a web
app not really I mean I feel like getting controller and put into web
browsers is is challenging I think like yeah I think so I mean you can just
plenty of programs out there that let you test your gamepad inputs well that’s
true I don’t know I mean I feel like they
this seems like a pretty measured rollout and I think I got three months
free for putting my credit card in yeah do you think this is the future you know
we’ve been looking at this for a decade now of people trying from on live on of
people and even steam now has the ability to play couch co-op games over
the internet some it have you done that yeah it’s so good it works great yeah
it’s so that maybe there’s something to be said for that but not for a fully
fledged cloud-based service I mean I think I think the idea is the same is
with stadia right like there are X number of million people few hundred
million people that are invested in you know consoles pc maybe maybe high-end
mobile games yeah and then there’s another you know 6.3 billion people in
the world so if we can figure out a way to let those people play games without
investing hundreds of dollars or thousands of dollars in hardware there’s
a potential market opportunity right now this seems like an add-on like like
here’s an interesting use for oh god I don’t know why I have a timer going on
that’s for normal oh that was face time norm so we might be trying that a minute
I don’t feel I was just saying I don’t feel like I feel like if you like if you
download cyber if you buy cyberpunk right it unlocks they didn’t do a
preload you can hook up to Gucci for us now and play it while you it’s
downloading in the background funny you’re right like you can get started
and do that I think that’s easy cuz if you travel a lot and you’re places where
there’s decent internet I feel like you could play your games from Oatley
without having to schlock the schlep a gaming laptop that has 45 minutes of
battery life with you I mean that also Mac there’s a Mac client as well okay so
so yeah or like if you have a Mac laptop and you want to be able to play your
games so you’re saying
our new markets for this type of service it’s not going to replace PC gaming I
mean I think for some people it probably will right like I think that there’s
definitely people out there in the world who don’t want to spend $1500 or $1000
on a new computer every three or four years and and if you can pay five bucks
a month and get something that’s almost as good but then you just use your
laptop for hook it up to a box that’s so plugged into your TV that seems great
terrific let it rip ladies and gentlemen we have a Norman Cham
we have Norman chin live oh it’s like he’s here I know so tiny amazing hey
norm what’s the lottery numbers for tomorrow I want to know 42 but don’t
text me don’t say it out loud this is amazing live via satellite from New
Zealand you guys are cut from the same cloth yeah see this is why we get along
yeah we always convincing me it was definitely fiber optics nobody does
satellite anymore it’s under if there’s a cable yeah that’s how the photons are
moving we got Shawn sir we’d have to wait half a second per norm to respond
to us I’m thrilled by the latency and speaking of technologies this is
fantastic well they’re using the AI to know what
he’s gonna say before he says it so they started talking before we we hear well
so what what can you tell us about why you’re in New Zealand if anything well I
think it’s we can say that of course we’re in Wellington New Zealand I’m here
with Adam and Joey and it is tradition for the tested team every couple years
or so there’ll be two years for me to visit our friends at what a workshop
which is where I’ll be getting in about 15 minutes or so I’m in my hotel right
now you couldn’t tell somewhere in a nondescript wearing pen and non-secure
Patel in beautiful Wellington I don’t want to say exactly where in case there
are people listening who are also in town but we’re here for the entire week
and we are of course covering many of the projects that well I should say a
small portion of the projects because they’re working on so many projects but
a small portion of the approaches were allowed
to cover that will be sharing hopefully later this year I can’t even say wet Wow
but every time I go to what a workshop it we’re talking about yesterday it
really feels not only like an effect shot but it really almost it’s like a
Hogwarts it almost feels like a university if the campus the workshop is
sprawling it feels like a campus every time you walk into a room it’s almost
like it’s a classroom there are artists working on benches and then you know a
head of department that we chat with that’s almost a professor and it really
feels like we are the doors are open to us to visit a Hogwarts like institution
that’s amazing I mean I’m cool I assume that this is a not a tour that anybody
can sign up for if they go and knock on the door that is true although there’s a
tour that they do that’s right adjacent to their workshop
the cave tour which gives you literal peek inside windows inside the they’re
working workshop but and with a lot of the props and costumes that they’ve
built so that’s available to the public but no we’re going inside some some
closed doors with NDA thyrd exciting are you enjoy gonna go up into the hills and
hunt for the wilderbe you’ll know although we did go down the street here
in downtown Wellington where they film some of what we do in the shadows the
movie it’s where the vampires will have their
night in the town trying to get invited into the ball arse
oh that’s fine Rob does somebody back with the cables get your back sorry you
dropped out for singing oh sorry yeah downtown Wellington lots of people lots
of places where they film movies including what we do in the shadows
we’ve gone over the hill to the miramar part of town and you know oh that’s
where they shot that part of over the rains that’s where Gollum you know was
at the lake that’s where Sam did his first steps the furthest he’d ever gone
past the Shire you know stuff like that that’s hilarious well what we do in the
shadows that’s that comedic vampire film that is I really good yeah with Germaine
from Flight of the Conchords I haven’t seen it because I am afraid of scary
movies but it’s not scary not scary not scary is the least scary
oh good because I love those guys have you seen hope for the older people
no Jeremy you need to watch out for the world oh yeah
it’s a delight okay both of those are right now that’s how I found out about
these because I was I was researching the guy because he seems like a big deal
he’s very funny yeah and he’s in all his films yeah
can we see out the window by any chance is there anything that you can show us
out there no it’s just a city street it’s it’s summer no right now but I want
to believe you’re in Hobbiton that I can see the nose the round doors norm I’m
also disappointed at videos right-side up I assumed he’d be upside down it’s
always like this I don’t know how to do a poll autocorrects it with a I okay
norm thanks for taking a minute to chat with us this is the dad joking
hey good luck on the podcast today thank you well for sitting in of course and I
will do a shout out if you are listening to this on Thursday you can go on tested
and you can watch a video of Adam on the stage set of Hamilton in San Francisco
but Hamilton that’s right that there waiting in the wings for you we were
literally in the wings Wow yeah and and we got to handle and take a look at some
of the props from the show we have a bunch of videos from that visit to
Hamilton and the first one comes out tomorrow
interesting name note the folks here in New Zealand they don’t really have a
connection with the musical can’t imagine why
yeah but but good-natured all the same yeah yeah absolutely wonderful people
you know they love sam neill down there alright norm good to see you I’m glad
you’re still supporting them all Disney we’re yeah well next time we see me
wearing a wet assert all right are you norm yes big he couldn’t see me waving
there but I waived any wasn’t it oppressive by the future man I mean you
know it’s a third time we’ve done that and I like it all worked
are you hearing us through your lap speaker yeah here’s you through that
microphone we are you’re piping in through yeah we hear him through our
headphones what devilry is this it’s like the podcast way
not all that hard we used to do this the hard way with like headphone ins and
outs it was like there’s a splitter running into the mixer and out the out
the thing and like it was always an engineering you you had to do some like
mental gymnastics where you’re like what’s the route of the audio and
sometimes the person would hear themselves just looping and lessly and
it was a night it was bad I used to edit videos in cotton high school before
nonlinear video editors right yeah and and I would feed musicals on Matt rocks
Carter’s he let me capture your video back then I had a boom but no there was
no capturing oh this was taped to tape and I would run the audio through a boom
box and I’d run the tape audio into the left channel and music into the right oh
yeah and then I used the the balance to fade between the two or mix them boom I
when I took video production in high school we had one of those jog dial
editors with the tapes and you’d have yeah a tape up here and a tape up here
and you could like mix it was a it was bad jog dials yeah a jog guy you got
that jog dial all right let’s talk some more tech I love tech spacex specs you
heard of them SpaceX Elon Musk’s other company yeah they’re gonna take you in
outer space I don’t want to go on this flight if you got the money no thing I
mean look don’t how’d it go for that booster the other day Jeremy
well there’s 50th landing your names thankfully you’re not gonna be on the
booster you’re gonna be on the the camry that goes well I won’t be on the booster
right but you’re gonna be on the capsule that they have proven yeah can crash one
or two of those they’ve proven can can blast off and parachute down safely yeah
that’s what you’re gonna be on they’re gonna take four people for private
citizens is Elon Musk one of those people into outer space they’re gonna
take you three times as high as the International Space Station and they’re
going to allow you to exist in outer space for a period of time how long they
haven’t said and then they’re gonna bring you back this is a suborbital
flight or is it an orbital flight but wait a sub-award old fight would be
like 20 minutes what’s it gonna cost a couple hundred grand they haven’t said
and they’ve been probably using boosters is this like a booster that they’ve
crashed in the ocean a few times is this like a one that’s a fresh off the line
that’s probably a different price point yeah do you want the witch-king started
here you can I don’t know which ones were I in on one hand well at least you
know that one’s launched three times successfully and hasn’t blown up yet on
the other end you know it’s old yeah it’s probably got marks yeah I don’t
want one with horse I want refresh you one with the fresh paint on it yeah a
new rocket smell I got to tell you I am curious how much it would cost how much
would you pay well clearly not enough I mean this is for this is for four of the
super-rich if you were okay if Jeremy if you have in the bank thirty-five million
dollars right okay yeah let’s turn that back down I much would you pay to turn
off notifications automatically when you’re finished talking to the norm on
FaceTime I I mean honestly if I had thirty five million dollars I mean I
don’t need and you only need a few million a few minutes ever live for the
rest of my life I’ll spend ten million dollars to go to outer space like that’s
all you could have gone up to the space station for that a few years ago that’s
an incredible opportunity yeah then it is an amazing and Ed’s a space nuttin I
know you you were even more of one than I am yeah like the idea of feeling
weightless to being in orbit for even a count twenty minutes would be like the
biggest thing that I would ever do in my life something I never thought I could
do the thing that I get most out of VR is probably that sense of weightlessness
do you think twenty minutes is enough so yeah I don’t think I would pay it for 20
minutes yeah I mean I do I feel like it would because there’s everything leading
up to it there’s the launch would be exciting there’s the descent which would
be even more exciting I see I feel like all that stuff is sure you have to
endure to get a week of weightlessness Oh week well I mean certainly if if moon
tourism existed I would certainly sign up for it but here’s the thing when you
go into zero-g there’s a period of several days where your body adjusts
where you just feel terrible oh yeah it’s like astronauts we’ve talked to
have described it as like bad hangover II like your head gets all clogged
because the fluid in your body is redistributing from the lower
extremities where gravity usually pulls it up into your head but do you think
that that’s because they spend long up there no this happens in the
beginning it’s as your body adjusts to microgravity
so like the fluid redistributes you feel like you have a horrible head cold like
they’re eating super spicy food to try to ream out their noses and it’s like
and also you have motion sickness often for the first few days Oh No thank you
so yeah so like I guess 18 minutes is like you’re gonna be up there not long
enough to be uncomfortable boy you might get back and say boy I wish I had that
10 million dollars back yeah I wish I was there for a week I could spend that
10 million dollar send a lot of things yeah I could I could you know look you
could probably build your own rocket for ten million dollars buy a house in San
Francisco yeah nice one something with two bathrooms they’re partnering with
space adventures which is actually a space tourism company there’s entire
companies pretty grim market for the last few years for those guys entire
companies like hqk is not in business anymore but there is a space tourism
thriving company called space adventures and I guess they’ve been doing this for
a while now and they saw that they’re partnered they said they won’t reveal
the cost I hope it leaks because I do want to know I’m just curious yeah I’d
have no perspective on this but I want to know I gotta tell you though I feel
like if you’re a space tourism company and somebody calls it like I call the
space tourism company I’m like hey I would like to go to space and they’re
like well okay how much money do you have spending like I have ten million
dollars something like okay like when can I leave and they’re like well we
don’t know yet well what what’s spaceship I’m gonna get anyone not quite
sure right how much is it how much is gonna cost no idea where am I gonna go
how long do I even know we don’t know that one either they might tell you if
you had the money though you know take a deposit SpaceX is heavy they’ve already
promised one billionaire you know they will take this billionaire around the
moon and back right yeah now that’s who knows when that’s gonna that’s a hard
thing I’ve tried that incredible before and I’ve killed a lot of kerbals just
making attempts at that oh good I’m glad they’re taking their time yeah if you
sign up for this it’s gonna be less expensive than that one so you know I
think there’s different ranges and if this works out maybe they’ll do these
things all the time this is cool thing about this and I like this like from a
just general perspective of where we’re going as a species I like that instead
of taking the best and brightest and using them to test out this new
stuff like the best test pilots and the very smartest like Navy pilots
and like we did with Mercury right now they’re just taking the dumb people with
a shitload of money rich people and they’re firing them into
space it works out great and if not that’s probably fine too
well there there’s taken their money is what they’re doing because this is like
I think this is the funding exercise so I know that’s I’m saying yeah like do
the science on the backs of the rich not the not the poor smart people the rich
dumpy wait so this is actually what you will sit in if you pay X amount of
dollars you will go up into space sitting in one of these chairs
surrounded by this very 2001 ask spacecrafts no controls
you’re not ridden in a Tesla recently there are no rules on Musk’s vehicles
but what happens if something goes wrong with the radio more importantly to me is
there’s really not a nice window like if there’s not one over there on that side
look how tiny that is and look where it is and we don’t get to see what the what
they get to really see like a little bit there so do you ask for a window or an
aisle on this one these seats look like they’re connected
to some sort of shock absorbing you know yeah things these these land in the
ocean or do they land in land does the dragon capsule it’s ocean right must
land in the ocean well like the Russian the Soyuz lens uses retro rocks in the
dumps key to the ground like a 10 mile an hour an but it doesn’t have owns they
land in the in the in the in Siberia wow that’s impressive so anyway I that’s
what turned me off I was all in on my ten million dollars till I saw this
video and I realized I wouldn’t really get to seal I don’t think you want a
glass canopy roof in something that’s going to re-enter from outer space at
thousands and thousands of degrees look as long as I’m going outer space if it
might be my last 20 minutes in existence yeah let me see there’s the controls
there’s a keyboard and a touch screen up there just I get that’s what I don’t
know is there not a pilot they’re paying they’re letting four people do this and
there’s no like human that knows how to work the thing on the spaceship that’s
the future dude it’s the future this seems like a bad idea I’m really curious
in that Brown is a weird color video – also while we’re
powers well if you don’t want to fly in outer space maybe you want to fly around
on the planet Earth no thing as Iron Man okay I mean do I have Java soar Friday
and I go to shoot black you because now you are in control okay a video surfaced
this week and made the rounds it went quite viral from a company called jet
man Dubai this guy had a wing he’s not Iron Man
Iron Man doesn’t have wings more like the Falcon guy right yeah but his Falcon
guy’s wings are cool they’re like bulletproof he can move him in front of
him we’ve seen the Iron Man suit in fact Adam partnered with him for his
television show exactly guy no okay we’ve seen that yeah this is something
entirely different so this guy really is like the Iron Man
suit with as you said wings yeah and he has a video of him and I can play it he
hovers in front of some sort of launch pad hovering looked a little hinky when
I was hovering he actually looked a lot more comfortable than the Iron Man suit
because he’s strapped in there he’s not responsible for you know holding himself
up it looked like he was having a cup of coffee there right just then the Iron
Man guy really has to learn all new forms of pause yeah
where’s this guy really it’s just sort of staying there hovering and then you
think his feet got hot the most interesting thing is he goes horizontal
and off he goes and then what and then the video does here you go there is he
this is no I want to see the whole thing he’s covering now he’s perfectly at ease
with himself he’s done this before how is he controlling this is the question
you know he’s got choice to move Wan controllers and then anyway he goes
terribly fast off into the horizon and then shoots straight up and honestly
when I saw this I was like this is gonna be revealed in a matter of hours as a
fake because it just looks and it looks too good absolutely impossible
look in Dubai you can do anything you want and Dubai you can be a new man I
know yeah it was it’s no surprise that this happened in Dubai this is the one
then he takes from zoom goes horizontal and then just like
unbelievably shoots straight up into the sky and just goes hundreds of meters
never to be seen again vertical and I I just don’t know how he’s surviving those
g-forces how he’s maintaining control of the craft it’s incredible that this is
possible I don’t know how he landed does he have lied right
i does that glide i don’t know one way to find out what an incredible
billionaire I think that the company probably has money there’s a lot of
people with money in Dubai you know that’s true scientists what is the
number on the side of the wing what number says like 154 on that little LCD
screen right on the front edge yeah do you not know do not know huh so well
that’s interesting that is more like he parachuted that’s what I figured
this is more like what I expected the Segway to beat oh you mean ginger
project ginger yeah right talked about that in the old nice from BC podcast
yeah I bet years and years ago yeah yeah yeah but when Dean Kaman showed it to 10
select people or whatever it was they changed the world change the world way
we get to work is all different now I mean in fairness you did just buy a
couple of electric scooters for your family so it’s like they were half right
exactly this is like personal flying machines yes please this is would you
use that thing nothing looks like there’s 50 ways he could have killed
himself within the to 10 seconds of taking off I’m shocked he didn’t yeah it
really looks Dean but that was a Hughes the fourth test pilot they don’t show
the first three videos it really looks dangerous yeah and I imagine there’s got
to be some auto pilot on it because there’s no way he’s maintaining control
he asked me does attitude altitude on the on the vertical flight had to be
computer assistant yeah they put some kind of Arduino gyro in there for sure
definitely an Arduino not rated for human flight I am high
there’s no there’s no amount of money that would get me to try that thing oh
really what about the the ones that just go on the water the ones that shoot
water at the bottom and they’re hooked to a jet ski yeah yeah I do that yeah me
too that looks fun that’s basically almost the same feeling I mean we used
to have an air chair when I was a kid you know what the air chair was no it
was like a surfboard with a little chair and then at the bottom of the chair
there’s a pole that goes down four to eight feet that has a hydrofoil
on it and you could use that you pull it behind a boat yeah it like you ride up
up in the air I’ve seen that yeah I ate shit on that thing harder than anything
I ever did on on water skis Oh God well cause like you get up and as soon
as the front edge catches you’re like I’m the only good pivot from whatever
height you have the chance at at been pancaking into the water but also still
being pulled forward you learn a lot about fizzy’s getting a lot of whiplash
with that thing I can’t man I got imagine that the jetski thing is even
worse face is still red to this day from the probably yeah Wow no I thirty years
I don’t like water skis in general but I would like to be attached to a water jet
and float as I said I want to be weightless and I don’t think they’ve
never done the sensory deprivation tank Jeremy yes I don’t care for it really
yeah quiet no it’s the thought of like how many other people have a lot of
parts or they’re soaked in this salty water a lot of farts I managed its the
farts or one thing it’s just like people grime it’s just like residue I assume
they have filters on those things I don’t want a filter I want all-new water
I don’t want the thing to be scrubbed down you know how much salt they have to
putting those things to make you float hundreds of pounds yeah it’s like the
Dead Sea yeah I you know what I can the did separate sensory deprivation aspect
– take it or leave it okay I didn’t find myself if you could
put VR goggles while you were in there would you baby back in I just want to
listen to music maybe okay put on some Mozart you know that I don’t
need to be sensory deprived that seems like torture hmm you like him never done
it okay I don’t be in the tank seems really
gross one of my favorite components of tested calm back in the day when you
were doing things here what’s the 3d print of the week who could you forget
it’s called print the mystery object Jerry could you stand up in front of
saying look hey everybody welcome to tested I’m will I’m will from tested
it’s time for another mystery object this week we’re gonna do this the same
we do every week we’re gonna print a thing yeah and while it prints you’re
gonna guess what it is that your post your answer in the comments below we’ll
be back at the end of the print let’s go you really remember your scripts not at
all – and then for some reason like it was supposed to be a mystery I never
understood that when we put in the title it was a joke you’d watch it and you’re
supposed to type in the comment of what you thought it would be by the end of
the video and it was for kids now there’s a 3d
printer that can print things in with not in layers
well this thing was amazing this is an amazing printer they print things all as
a single the torture tugboat was printed now you look at that you say that’s a
little janky but that is actually 2 millimeters wide yeah that’s right 2
centimeter so about 20 centimeters Wow looks like it’s 10 centimeters
judging by that ruler oh you’re right the print volume is 2 centimeters fits
within that yeah that’s actually remarkable and they do this by like
rotating it in three dimensions and yeah it’s almost like it’s almost like a spin
cast yes where you where yeah it’s it’s amazing this is laser lithography it’s
like stereo lithography which currently is a 3d 3d printing no layers layer by
layer like every other 3d printer but that takes time what that has certain
benefits but it takes time as they all do this is all at once it rotates it as
you said and then it uses UV light to cure this resin in place in all at once
in different depths all the same yeah it’s amazing it’s wild I’m very into it
yeah and it as I said the print volume is quite small two centimeter that was a
tugboats Jeremy that’s pinchy I’m just saying it’s a mystery object it’s a
tugboat you do know that’s Benjy though right because that kind of NGOs huh I’m
familiar with bending because that kind of came around after you finished doing
the back back in my day we use that tower with the stairs inside you know
the yes it looks like a rock that but it has stairs now that was a big one for it
for the SL whatever yeah I kinda want to get back into 3d printing I missed it
I’ve been doing a lot of laser cutting lately yeah and I feel like the 3d
printer in the laser cutter are both in a position where they might help each
other out oh they’re they’re like the like peanut butter and sardines there’s
there they are the married couple that are the ideal couple and they you put
those together with a few screws and nuts and you could make anything yeah
yeah as long as it doesn’t have any moving parts or electronics i Sony is
struggling to keep the ps5 price down you are you gonna buy a ps5 no matter
the cost what if it costs four hundred and
seventy dollars I don’t know that’s what they think it’s gonna have to cause you
know the last couple of generations like ps3 Xbox ps4 Xbox one
even like the OG xbox and the ps2 and the Gamecube I ended up owning all of
the consoles I don’t know that I’m buying a console this year like I don’t
think I need an Xbox cuz I have a high end PC ya can run all the games
Microsoft releases all their stuff on Windows now yeah so there’s like no
exclusives I don’t need another box in the living room I’m probably not getting
an Xbox yeah it really is about the exclusives for a lot of people yeah it’s
also if you don’t have a PC this is how you how you game I think what they’re
putting into these new consoles is gonna be worth whatever they charge for it
they’re not making much money on them it’s just a matter is it too much I mean
people gonna base it off of their the bar they have right now which is the ps4
Pro which is $400 you know they don’t think they can do it $400 Sony’s gonna
wait out see what Microsoft is gonna price theirs out we probably won’t know
prices until III which isn’t three or four months when Microsoft’s doing
staggered tiers to they’re doing two different they like there’s of the
premier thing and then there’s a lesser version yeah Beco so you could go and
console free I mean we’ll have a switch we all cus which I could go console free
and that was another story that surface like gamers are fine with them not
entering the next gen switch Nintendo well I mean so so the question I mean as
always happens with new console generations now there was a story
yesterday about is this the last console Sony’s going to produce this is ps5 the
last console Tony’s going to produce which of course when they release the
ps4 and Xbox one the analysts were all saying people don’t care about you know
traditional games anymore and then it turns out because they were looking at
mobile trends and yeah like that and then it turns out the the you know
billions of people millions of people bought those consoles because they liked
playing Call of Duty and they liked playing spider-man and they liked
playing Halo and they like playing Gears of War and FIFA so I you know I don’t
know I assume we’re gonna keep seeing new consoles I I think Sony really
torched themselves on the ps3 generation because remember they launched that
thing at like five hundred six hundred dollars
yeah they tend to leapfrog one at one area everyone gets the wrong one cycle
yeah but but I mean I don’t know I don’t know what Microsoft’s focus on ecosystem
is great for people who play games and I don’t know that I have any need at all
to buy an xbox ever again waiting and seeing on the ps5 I don’t
know I have a ps4 regular and I do not have a xbox I bought a ps4 Pro to do VR
stuff when the ps4 because because my one of my ps3 has died then he did
another one anyway that I wouldn’t have paid the extra hundred bucks I wouldn’t
have upgraded had I not had a dead machine that I knew the thing that will
sell me on the ps4 or five of any kind will be its VR capabilities and that’s
not gonna launch there’s no new special headset launching with PS 5 but when
that comes to market well that’s what will get me on board and no Xbox has no
plans and speaking of VR VR virtual reality
this week let’s literally do a minute on this I’m being told to wrap it up I
started a timer do we have a time limit no no I just started a timer for the
minute Oh 50 seconds there’s a void opening here in San Francisco on Market
Street I have a void right now in May did you
know yeah you’ve done the void no you haven’t no oh no I did the one in didn’t
ya man torque no in New York which one was that ghostbusters I haven’t done
ghostbusters that’s not gonna be here thinking that they’re gonna the Star
Wars one Avengers ok they’re gonna have another one that that is not branded and
I forget the last one they’re gonna have a by Teddy Ruxpin it’s he-man Masters of
the Universe it’s it’s uh Avengers Jumanji that is
branded no I know no but though the fourth one is not
branded it’s called Nick Nicodemus demon of if a management well that’s a
terrible name it’s hard to say but it that one’s only $20 the others are 40
why not yeah for how long an hour dude you gotta try it you gotta try the
void okay I did the Ghostbusters one I don’t remember being forty bucks but I
might not have paid for it this is the problem with being me how long is it for
40 bucks it’s it’s worth 40 bucks as long as it needs to be honestly like
this is this is really the potential VR I mean we going into a space and being
able to touch everything and one-to-one mapping of your
environment and feeling heat and feeling you’re shaking floors and the doorways
you walk through and weapons that you pick up and it all being physically real
yeah it’s cool escalates the the the immersion factor a thousand times is
this the one that’s open even Wesley they’re Westfield Center in the basement
yeah whatever it’s on the Market Street so anyway it’s opening on the 20th yeah
so that’s exciting for us there’s a prince of persia’ not void but there’s
another escape room company that’s making a prince of persia’ one they
previously have done another ubisoft property and i did that one
assassin’s creed essence creed yeah yeah and it was that was that really good and
what they do even better than void is they create puzzles that require
cooperation mm-hmm and that’s awesome when you cuz you can hear people they
have microphones you’re in VR you’re in the same space yeah sure but sometimes
divided but we’re actually in different rooms when you do it so physically no
you’re not in the same space but but they so they can control whether or not
you hear your we we built a couple of escape room prototypes a few years ago
and it was it was really fun finally some twitter user go internet
josh and a kshitij tweeted fun fact that noted observed on the steam that vr is
now more popular than linux oh and almost half as popular as mac OS well
you heard it here at stop development on linux ever we start building vr that’s
quite impressive now you say to yourself that’s that’s a statistic that does that
mean the number of people who do the steam hardware survey that say they have
steamvr installed yeah well i yeah yeah boards test out that they do yeah on the
one hand these are these are small numbers like you know a lot of active
users on steam it’s true it’s true but really only the Linux is 0.9 percent of
steam so you’re bigger than that you know so you got 1.3 1% Mac OS is 3% so
it’s like climbing up there there I do think VRS hit an inflection point last
year with the release of the quest being very crucial that in terms of the price
point and get people on board and then actually allowing you to use steam but
it’s an interesting moment in here where we are now seeing VR taken more
seriously or at least as seriously as the smallest platforms on Steam and you
know maybe you want to write home about that maybe you don’t but I think it’s
exciting I’m happy for them I’m happy for VR and that’s where we’re at
you’re happy for VR I love VR I thought so I thought I’m a fan request number is
on the VR survey which is interesting this time yeah
so anything you want to promote what do you wanna talk about we’re done with the
show oh this is it this is it that was really a minute I was told to be armed
in an effort hold to wrap it up oh wow I have a new podcast
it’s called Brad and we’ll made a tech pod my friend Brad shoemaker hi it’s a
great podcast it’s not thank you it’s not brand new you’ve been doing it for a
few episodes like 22 now I think the idea basically is we do a single topic
each week so you know instead of talking about the weekly news which is a
perfectly fine thing to do on a technology podcast I feel like that
market is covered yeah we dig deep into things like how Nasir vers work or how
networking works or how the last week the last two weeks I actually we wanted
to talk about windows’s so we have made an ordered list of
windows’s from our favorite to our least favorite
over a 10 day two-week period no spoilers
and next and then we do community episodes every few episodes so we if you
have questions we can answer questions for him
brilliant you can find that at Tech pod content town and then also I play pub G
and stuff on Twitch in the evenings what can people find you there twitch TV
slash not that Will Smith ah very good yeah Smith was taken and what’s your
gmail address oh thank you sir very good thanks for
listening everybody we’ll be back next week I may not be here next week but our
friends cuz Shore norm promise they will be mmm maybe it’ll be an empty seat for
our friend Will Smith here I’m not sure not sure we’ll see always good to have
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